. >> michele flournoy, secretary of defense hagel underlining how serious this issue is when he talked about the threat. >> they have nuclear capacity now. they have missile delivery capacity now. and so as they have ratcheted up their bellicose, dangerous rhetoric and some of the actions they've taken the last few weeks present a real and clear danger. >> two things going on there. one, kind of ratcheting up the escalation in words which the administration wanted to tamp down, but kim jong-un is saying i don't want to talk about losing my nuclear weapons. i won't even get into those discussions. so from a diplomatic point of view, what do you do? >> we have to convince this new, young, inexperienced leader he's playing a losing hand. that the only way out of the box to get the economic development he wants, to get the progress that he wants is to ratchet back the rhetoric, come back into compliance with the international obligations that north korea has and to get serious about trying to implement some of the commitments he's made at the negotiating table in the past. i think in the m